Pete Bombaci – The Human Connection

Interview with Pete Bombaci 1-20-21

Mike: [00:00:00] Got to tell you, this is really good timing.

[00:00:04] Pete: [00:00:04] I love it.

[00:00:04] Mike: [00:00:04] You coming on this podcast right now with all that’s going on.

[00:00:09] Pete: [00:00:09] No question, my friend. Uh, I think it is amazing that some people, and I’ll be very honest with you. There’s some people who hear the message of the movement and go, What do I need this for? And you’re like, seriously, you still don’t know?

[00:00:22] Mike: [00:00:22] They don’t know. No, they don’t.

[00:00:24] Pete: [00:00:24] And I can tell you, you know, we’ll get into it, but I had an expert, uh, a global leader in the causes of social, uh, the social determinants of health, who said to me, uh, nearly four years ago, now he said, Pete, you’re going to be very successful with this movement, but you need to know one thing. And I said, Oh, what’s that? He said it is going to take time, he said because most people have no idea what you’re talking about. And he was right. And those who’ve done any type of self-development work, anybody who’s been through a crisis, anybody who’s been obviously lonely understands how important people are, but those who lived a good life, and frankly, you know, we’ve lived in 50, 60 years of the greatest growth era in the history of the world. And yet we have more people who are lonely, alone and disconnected than ever before.

[00:01:15] Mike: [00:01:15] And that’s the reason for the growth. They got humankind out of the way and all of a sudden. Everything started going crazy.

[00:01:22] Pete: [00:01:22] Yeah. And now we’re, now we’re being shocked into the reality that what we were living wasn’t sustainable.

[00:01:29] Mike: [00:01:29] Well, not only is it not sustainable, it was the, it was the wrong kind of, it’s the wrong progress towards the utopia that they are hoping for.

[00:01:37] Pete: [00:01:37] Well, especially, I just finished, I’m sure you know Laurie Santos. Do you know that name? Dr. Laurie Santos from Yale.

[00:01:42] Mike: [00:01:42] I, the name sounds familiar. I don’t know it deeply, but.

[00:01:46] Pete: [00:01:46] She is the, she’s the lady at Yale who, uh, started up the, uh, she has a happiness lab podcast. She started up the science of wellbeing course. It’s the number one course taken at Yale. They’ve been giving out free on Coursera for since the start of a pandemic. I just finished it last week or a couple of weeks ago. And it’s clear our brains. Tell us. That what makes us happy is more wealth, more money, more stuff, bigger houses, more travel, you know, all that stuff.

[00:02:13] Mike: [00:02:13] Bullshit. Bullshit, bullshit. Bullshit.

[00:02:16] Pete: [00:02:16] One, one, one. And then, you know what the science tells us is that kindness, generosity, human connection, health. Time, uh, time affinity, freedom of time, you know, that’s what makes us happy. But unfortunately to this point and Dr. Robert Waldinger at Harvard, who’s been running the happiness study, uh, the course on the science of human development, you know, it’s again, they interviewed the people on their death bed.

[00:02:44] Yeah. And they say, hey, what would you, what do you wish you had to spend more time doing? Hanging out, hanging out with people, house. You know. So how crazy is it? But that’s what we’re here for, is spreading the message.

[00:02:56] Mike: [00:02:56] It’s it’s it’s really interesting. Yeah. And we can get back into more of this I’m I’m probably gonna go ahead and keep all of that.

[00:03:02] Now, even though that’s pre-show stuff, I’m probably going to keep all of that and just replay that. Re redo the, the, uh, the intro to this.

[00:03:09] Intro: [00:03:09] Who wants a pot of coffee? I just made coffee. You want a cup of coffee? Sure, they’re you go. Who wants coffee, anybody else want coffee? Who wants coffee? And now it’s time for the man with the caffeine, the new tropics for the brain. It’s coffee with Mike, hang in, hang tight, grab your cup and let’s get this thing started.

[00:03:36] Mike: [00:03:36] So, so let me, let me do this. Hey guys, welcome to Java Chat. This is Coffee with Mike, is this kind of an impromptu informal beginning only because Pete started leaning right, right into what we wanted to talk about?

[00:03:54] Pete: [00:03:54] You okay, brother?

[00:03:55] Mike: [00:03:55] I have allergies. Its bad. Most people know about it. And um, we started talking about human connection and. I think I’ve said this before, um, in a couple of other podcasts that we can’t go around just living on technology and expecting that that’s what connects us. Technology is not a connector. Technology is a support after the connection. And this is something I teach in business etiquette. I mean, which apparently is starting to get a call to come back to come back to the forefront again. Uh, you know, another project to work on. Wonderful. Uh, but, but the mere fact that people are still thinking that “being connected” means being on social media, being on their, their phones, being on their computers, that is not a genuine connection.

[00:04:45] It never has been. Um, and to have to have Pete, Pete, how do you say your last name.

[00:04:51] Pete: [00:04:51] Bombaci.

[00:04:51] Mike: [00:04:51] Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay. Um, to have Pete with us here today, uh, to talk about what we’re going to talk about, uh, we’re still gonna run through our normal format, but guys, this is like a really, really big deal to me. And the only reason it’s such a big deal to me, I probably even more so now is because of the loss that I’d recently experienced.

[00:05:12] And realizing that when you don’t have something there, you know, everybody, everybody kind of blows it off. It was like, ah, you know, uh, if they don’t appreciate your presence, make them make them miss you or whatever the saying is. And it’s like, I don’t think you guys understand just exactly how powerful that is because when you no longer have the presence of another human that you’ve either gotten used to. Or have had around for many years or even for just, you know, a few weeks, um, you really, you really sense the void that is there and, and it’s, it’s, uh, it’s, it’s the human condition. We have to have connection and, and Pete talks about social connection in such a manner where it’s like, okay, human kind, it’s time to wake up.

[00:05:58] And honestly, he’s, he’s, he’s been trying to wake humankind up for a while, but it’s really time to wake up because especially after this pandemic that we just went through, where governments literally told everybody, stay home, stay away from each other, you know, stay, stay, stay at least six feet from each other.

[00:06:17] Nobody understands that those are, you’re talking about exempting other people and their magnetic fields. We reach out six to eight feet. That’s why they’re, that’s why they want us apart. They don’t want us touching each other. They don’t want us, everybody says it’s for the health. Okay. I get it. There’s a virus.

[00:06:35] Not, not a joke, not a hoax. It’s real. I’ve had friends that have had it. I’ve got friends that I’ve had friends that have died from it. Stuff’s real. I’ve had friends sick from it down badly. Um, like super battle. Okay. It’s real. But the amount of the amount of separation that it has caused. Has caused, sorry, I, I think it’s caused much more, um, health issues in humankind than anybody even thought was possible. And Pete’s message happens to deal with that. So with that said, Pete, thanks for coming onto the podcast.

[00:07:13] Pete: [00:07:13] Mike, it’s awesome to be here, brother. And thank you for sharing that. That’s that’s powerful stuff.

[00:07:17] Mike: [00:07:17] Yeah. And it’s it’s um, I want one of those shirts.

[00:07:21] Pete: [00:07:21] I love it. I’d be happy to get you one.

[00:07:23] Mike: [00:07:23] Yep. And, and, and definitely we’ll be wearing it somewhere sometime, and I guarantee it. Um, what’s your background, brother? Where are you? Where, where did you, where did you come up with all of this? How did, how did this how’d you get to this?

[00:07:37] Pete: [00:07:37] You know, uh, I, I, what I say is my background is I spent 20 years in the booze business as a sales and marketing guy. And in hindsight, what I recognize now is that my whole job was to bring people together. And my purpose at that time was to sell alcohol. I was in the beer business, wine business, liquor business.

[00:07:55] I sold everything that you’ve ever probably tried. But what I recognize now in hindsight is actually what was really powerful is when you brought people together, that’s when they were happiest. Whether it was in a bar or at home at a community event, whatever the case may be, that’s when they were happiness or happiest.

[00:08:12] And what I also love to point out is it wasn’t the alcohol, because if you think of cheers, You know, most people just wanted a place to go. It wasn’t about the alcohol. And if, if happy hour was truly about, you know, alcohol, then you wouldn’t leave an empty bar. To go see a place that was packed. We all line up in lineups to go be the place where people are.

[00:08:36] And that’s the insight that we all need to understand is happy hour was actually human hour. It was actually when people wanted to see other people. So at the end of a long day at the office, when you’re, you know, head down into the, into work. You actually came out the other side. Then I went off and I ran a Movember Canada, the mustache charity for men’s health for five years up in Canada, raised $142 million for men’s health.

[00:09:00] More importantly. Got us to talk about health again. And while I was there, I had a lot of conversations with people that were in the health sector. And a lot of them talked about human connection as a recovery tool that, Hey, when you go through a mental health crisis, when you go through a physical health crisis, it was important to stay socially connected.

[00:09:18] And then when I started to do a little more digging, whether it was Maslow’s hierarchy, Dr. Robert Waldinger at, uh, Harvard, you know, Dr. Laurie Santos, Jamil Zacky, you know, all of these people who are actually highlighting, Oh my gosh, the research is now really clear that one of the greatest preventative actions that we can all take for our health is actually spending time with other people.

[00:09:40] And now a new study, to be honest with you out of Massachusetts General, about three weeks ago, the single greatest action that any of us can take to avoid depression. It’s not going for a run. It’s not eating more fruit and vegetables. It’s not spending time in nature. And by no means, am I dismissing those because they are important as well.

[00:09:58] It’s actually spending time with other people. And so all of that background, the alcohol business Movember and, and those conversations made me realize, Holy cow, we are living in a society that doesn’t know about the information we’ve been told to go to the gym for decades. We’ve been told to eat better for decades.

[00:10:17] Yep. And now we’re waking up in a world where we’re more disconnected and I’m talking about pre pandemic. We are more disconnected than ever. You touched on social media is one of the challenges, but it’s just a faster pace, more distraction, more pressure. And it makes us, it leads us to isolate ourselves.

[00:10:34] And what I recognized is Holy cow, we need a movement that not only educates people, but empowers and catalyzes us to actually take action because in Canada where I’m, I’m up in Toronto, 50% of Canadians don’t know their next door. Neighbors name Mike. Oh, I’m sure it’s worse here. I’m sure it’s worse here. Yeah, we live in parallel lives.

[00:10:55] Mike: [00:10:55] We we’ve gotten into such a, uh, what’s the word, um, ironically disconnected society. And yet we call ourselves super connected because of social media. And I wanted to, to, to kind of focus on something that you said there.

[00:11:14] Pete: [00:11:14] Yeah.

[00:11:15] Mike: [00:11:15] It’s a super distraction. Holy shit. I mean, how, how many people, you know, I was at a, I was at a business networking event. This was pre-pandemic. I was at a business networking event, um, packed house, like. Business people everywhere talking, you know, having their cocktails, et cetera, et cetera. One table I walked by on the backside bar. There there’s like two bars in this place. Three young ladies all look like they were business professionals, all three of them sitting at a table with each other, all three of them, staring at their phones, laughing and doing their thing on their phone.

[00:11:54] And I’m looking at this going, are you kidding me? You guys came here to a business networking event to sit on your phones. And, and I watched to see if I could see them later, they were gone. It, it really.

[00:12:09] Pete: [00:12:09] They get any value out of it by sitting there on their phones, so they left early.

[00:12:13] Mike: [00:12:13] And they came together. It’s like, you guys don’t get it, do you? This is, this is not the time. This is not the time to be technologically connected. That comes tomorrow. Um, I have a friend here who’s who does, uh, um, uh, no social media Monday. She literally puts one post in Sunday night. It pops up. She doesn’t post Jack on Monday. She stays completely off of social and I, and I commend her for it because it’s like, you know, I run marketing campaigns, so I can’t really, I ended up having to check on everything, but, um, the idea of it is no posting.

[00:12:54] No posting, no reading, no sitting around, putzing around and all that kind of stuff. It’s a waste of time. You’re not really connecting with anybody and you’re only – sure, some of it’s hilarious. That’s fun. The memes. That’s okay. But there’s no connection there. That’s not a connector. In business etiquette, a connector, which is now they’ve and this is the part that really gets my goat, they have said that handshake should probably go away. Are you kidding me? The one thing that proves to another person you have no ill will or ill intent towards them. And you’re saying we shouldn’t do it anymore. You can’t put on hand sanitizer, you can’t wash your hands. We did it before we washed our hands before we shook other people’s hands.

[00:13:35] While at least those of us that had respect for that part of the health of life, you know, I mean, Where’s where’s the, where’s the connection. It’s not there. If you’re on tech and so fast forward to today, obviously we, we do have different unwritten rules for the game now, obviously, but we’re looking at it from the standpoint of how do we get back to this because.

[00:14:03] And, um, and I’m going to get into the negative side of it, but how do we get back to this now, before the negative stuff starts coming up, which we’ve already seen and have been seeing for the last, like, what year? I mean, how do we get back to this? How do we, how do we viably do this? Where we can start having social connection again and, and getting ourselves, being, being healthy as we ought to be.

[00:14:27] Pete: [00:14:27] Well, you know, um, this is why, uh, What you just described, Mike is why I started this movement and the GenWell Project is a human connection movement and we havetwo, two goals. First off behavior change starts with education. Yeah. We can’t expect people to do the right. We expect people to go for a run and eat better, but we don’t understand how important human connection is.

[00:14:54] And if I can, I’ll just go through it reduces anxiety and depression, increases empathy, compassion, and resilience, and in the political polarized world that certainly you guys are in. And we have it up here as well. If we spend time with other people, we understand them better. And when we understand them better, we don’t tweet nasty stuff at them.

[00:15:15] We actually have a conversation. Cause if you and I are sitting side by side, I’m not going to turn to you and call you a jackass. I’m actually going to say, Hey man, tell me what you think. Cause I wouldn’t be as rude to do that. But when we get to know each other, that creates empathy, compassion, it builds resilience, strengthens our immune system.

[00:15:34] So at a time when we’re dealing with a health crisis, spending time with other people keeps you healthier. Oh. And if you get sick, having that community of people around you helps make you healthier, quicker as well. Increases longevity. You know, as I said, the latest research out of Massachusetts General saying that it’s the single largest preventative action we can do is spending time with other people.

[00:15:56] And another study in the last few months, out of Ireland, out of the UK, which is stating that, um, there’s a direct correlation between loneliness and isolation and type two diabetes. So I don’t care if you want to talk about mental health.

[00:16:08] Mike: [00:16:08] Wow, really?

[00:16:09] Pete: [00:16:09] Or if you want to talk about physical health? The ramifications of not being connected are everywhere.

[00:16:15] Mike: [00:16:15] It can actually, it can actually cause diabetes. Are you serious, it causes diabetes?

[00:16:20] Pete: [00:16:20] So it increases, uh, you know, stress increases stress in your body and the stress and anxiety that comes from that can lead to physical changes in your body as well. I, this is all stuff. This is all stuff that’s come out in, you know, this is the last three months, but all the research that is really touching on the importance of human connection is only a decade or two old. So there’s even people in the medical community who don’t understand how important human connection is. And that’s why we need to get ahead of the curve here.

[00:16:50] We need a movement that actually says to people every day, whether it’s you, whether it’s mayors, whether it’s counselors, what is the president? You know, we all need to be saying, Hey, you know, the greatest thing, and I know there’s a big change today happens to be the day of the inauguration. There’s big changes coming South of the border.

[00:17:05] And, you know, Canadians always think of ourselves. I’ll refer to us as the little brother. That you know, wishes nothing but the greatest for, uh, all of our American friends. And the greatest thing we can do is come together right now as individuals, as streets, as communities, as countries, because we are all in this together.

[00:17:25] Yes, we are experiencing this, uh, differently, depending on who we are, where we are, but at the end of the day, we need to recognize we are dependent upon each other more so than we ever have been. Even though the last 50, 60 years we’ve created the most individualistic society in history that we’ve now seen, where that’s led to polarization, illness, you know, separation of wealth, all of those things. And how’s that working for us? In the famous words of Dr. Phil, I don’t think it’s working so well.

[00:17:57] Mike: [00:17:57] No, in fact that the device, of there’s, there’s so much to unpack what you with everything you just said that I’m going to rewind real quick. Cause I just remembered seeing something recently. Um, everybody remembers Mike Tyson says everybody’s got a real great plan until they get punched in the mouth.

[00:18:13] And it’s funny because not long after that, he came out with another one that says y’all are getting too used to being able to talk shit on social media without getting punched in the mouth. And, and I came across a post just I think a couple of days ago where these two guys walked into a shop and confronted somebody who was talking all this smack about it, he was, he would be able to beat somebody else, who’s a world champion. And while they’re talking to them, the world champion walks in and says, yeah, I saw your comment. Let me have you outside for a few minutes. And I was like, well, um, we all knew that was coming the moment you see two guys calling somebody up, you know, they got something up their sleeve because they want to just see exactly how brave somebody is, because it really has gotten that bad people have, people have really begun to sit there and the name calling the nasty, the nasty comments, and it’s like, we spent a whole bunch of time trying to explain to people, if you uplift others and try to explain things to others, then there’s a conversation.

[00:19:17] If all you’re going to do is detract and put down and, and, you know, dump on people and call them names. You’re never – one, you’re never going to get them to side with you. No matter how much, no matter how much you may be correct. And no matter how much facts you throw at somebody, you’re never going get them to come to your side.

[00:19:33] It’s just not going to happen. If you actually have the capacity to put your emotions aside, which I I’m seeing all over the internet, that ain’t happening. People love their emotions and they’re easily, they’re easily manipulated because of it. And that’s across the political spectrum, y’all and it’s, it’s, it’s mind numbing to me to see people doing this to each other.

[00:19:59] Um, over half the time I catch myself about ready to write a comment and I look at it and I’m like, No, what am I going to say that’s going to change their mind? Nada. I know what I know. And I know where things are headed and I, I have my sources of intel, if you will, it’s not going to– the doomsayers are, are overshooting.

[00:20:22] Um, will there be changes? Yeah, there’s going to be changes. Are they going to be good? Some, not all of them. There’s, there’s a, there’s a challenge in every change of the guard, if you will. It’s not one’s any better than the other. It all goes to pot eventually, because, and I say that because if you look eventually power does corrupt, we’re dealing with that issue in our country right now.

[00:20:47] Um, I’ve been seeing some of the things going on in your country. You guys are dealing with it in a way too, um, UK is dealing with it big time. Um, the EU dealing with it big time. Um, there’s, there’s just. There’s not enough proper conversation, there’s too much pomp and circumstance. And then there’s a lot of shit talking and it’s, it’s ridiculous.

[00:21:09] I mean, if, if people were to just sit down and have a nice conversation, a respectful conversation and, and brought real things to the table that that were easy to see, because not everything’s easy to see right now, either that makes it just as hard. Uh, I, I honestly believe that we would probably have better connections, better conversations and better solutions. Um, so I agree that this movement is definitely needed. And I think it’s, I think it’s a matter of how do we, how do we regulate ourselves and this in this kind of time, um, to be able to have those conversations without seeming weird or awkward, because that’s exactly where it is.

[00:21:55] That’s where everything’s at right now in the world. It’s, it’s weird and awkward. Because of a virus. I mean, we, we can’t, we can’t, without fearing certain things, we can’t just walk up to anybody anymore. You know, I mean, it’s literally been set up to keep us from walking, dude, I’m a hugger.

[00:22:13] Pete: [00:22:13] Yeah. Me too.

[00:22:16] Mike: [00:22:16] I see people. It’s like, we hug in some way or another it’s going to happen and I’m not at this point. I’m like, Oh, I’ll go hang out at my house.

[00:22:24] Pete: [00:22:24] Yeah. You know, Mike, it’s such a, it’s such a challenge right now. Um, I, I I’ll go for a walk every morning with the dog. And, uh, you know, you see people coming along the sidewalk and all of a sudden they’re taking, they’re veering out to the middle of the road, or they go around you and hey, everybody’s got their comfort level with, with the virus.

[00:22:43] So. Understood that there are certain challenges that, uh, you know, people are elderly. People are very concerned, so I get that. But at the time when we need each other more than ever, it’s just a shame that this is, this is where we are. But again, to your point, I think the thing we need to recognize is we didn’t get here in one day, one week or one presidency, to be honest with you.

[00:23:04] This has happened over decades. We build taller fences in our back yards. We build bigger houses for smaller families. We’ve built front our back decks instead of front porches. We’ve built automatic garage doors, everything that we’ve done over the last few decades. Yeah has created the physical isolation that we are now waking up tand you throw in technology on top of that and you recognize the emotional barriers.

[00:23:30] You know, I talk about the competitive set I had when I grew up, it was literally the five guys I could see out my front window. And now it’s the Kardashians, the Jenners, every sports celebrity, movie, celebrity TV, celebrity, you name it, they’re out there. And I can watch what they’re doing each and every day.

[00:23:47] And so, you know, we’re not going to change the world. This movement, is as great as I believe it is and how much it’s needed, we’re not going to change the world in one day or one week. This is about an entrenched thing. The idea and the information in people’s minds that, Hey, when you’re not feeling yourself and what are the greatest things you can do rather than tweeting something negative to your point of , instead of putting somebody else down.

[00:24:12] Why not actually reach out yourself and, you know, understanding that it can make you happier and healthier. And I actually might even save the more powerful part of it, this whole movement, and I call this the dirty little secret is actually when you help somebody else, you feel better too.

[00:24:29] Mike: [00:24:29] It’s interesting that you, you mentioned something that triggered a thought. There’s a guy on Tik ToK by the name of John Dawson, who used to do videos on construction because he owns a construction company and, um, he moved over into politics and has battled, like battled with people on Tik ToK, um, over, uh, ideals and, and he’s had debates and he he’s still posting political stuff.

[00:24:57] But one of the things that he did, which sincerely got my respect for him was somebody who was on the other side of the political spectrum from him, um, charged out a video and it looked like it was calling him out. And instead of him being emotional about it, which would have been the knee jerk reaction.

[00:25:15] He literally went to that person on Instagram, reached out and said, Hey, listen, why don’t we have a conversation? And they did. And he came back and he says, I have mad respect for this person because that person came back to me. We had a conversation, we agreed on some things and disagreed on others and we’re okay with that.

[00:25:34] And he, and it’s like, so don’t go, don’t go throw no hate at that person. We have respect for each other. It’s fine. We will, we will have other debates, probably not publicly, but I have, I have respect for that is exactly what technology is supposed to do is support the human connection, not drive a wedge between it, which is what it’s been doing.

[00:25:58] And, and it’s, you know, when we first had cell phones, it brought the world, it shrank the world a bit. Right? You remember that? And then all of a sudden it expanded the world. And all of a sudden there seemed to be so many more people in it. And now all of a sudden it’s like, we want to shrink the world all over again, using technology that kind of a, that kind of a bubble can only go in one direction eventually.

[00:26:26] And this is where I want to start talking about like, isolation and things of that kind of nature. Uh, but before I do that though, let’s, let’s take a quick 30-second break. Um, this is, this is rolling. Just exactly how it was hoping. So 30 seconds guys, and we’ll be right back.


[00:26:40] All right, everybody. We’re back here.

[00:26:41] Java Chat Coffee with Mike sitting here with Pete Bombaci. Dude, I love your last name.

[00:26:47] Pete: [00:26:47] Oh, thanks, man.

[00:26:47] Mike: [00:26:47] Is it like, is it Italian?

[00:26:50] Pete: [00:26:50] Yup. Yup.

[00:26:51] Mike: [00:26:51] Bombaci.

[00:26:52] Pete: [00:26:52] Nice. There you go. That’s the perfect pronunciation.

[00:26:56] Mike: [00:26:56] Do you realize that’s one of Don Rickles names that he uses?

[00:26:59] Pete: [00:26:59] Uh, yeah, it’s something variable batch. No,  yeah.

[00:27:05] Mike: [00:27:05] Two shots to the head last week. He did it on Johnny Carson.

[00:27:11] Pete: [00:27:11] That’s an old reference, my friend. You’re dating yourself.

[00:27:13] Mike: [00:27:13] Yeah. Tell me about it. Yeah. Well, I, I enjoyed those days. Those were days human connection really, really showed itself as a reality because people could laugh. Without, without worrying about being offended about stuff. And it’s like, here, you have somebody who’s ethnically Jewish who made fun of anybody.

[00:27:37] I mean, he was, he, he didn’t discriminate was the best part about him. He didn’t care who you were. You’re going to get it if you were in front of him. But it was so, it was his love for people though in real life was so genuine. Uh, I don’t know if you ever saw the special on Don Rickles when he, when they, when he brought in, um, I think it was Seinfeld and Sagan and had them sitting at the table with him and they were sharing stories and talking about the genuine connection between those three and seemingly completely unrelated people.

[00:28:07] I mean, if you look at Don versus Sagan and, and, and Seinfeld, it’s like, How does he know these two guys? I mean, what the hell do they have in common? You know, you saw the commonality, it was like a dad and two sons, even though they were all unrelated. It was wonderful. And this is, this is the thing that I think is still missing.

[00:28:26] And if you looked at him, even now, of course it was pre-pandemic, but they were sitting at a table. They weren’t exactly sitting next to each other. They were sitting at different spots up, obviously for camera, but. They still have that connection. They were in each other’s presence. They were sharing a moment.

[00:28:43] And this is, you see the memes and yet people are still not doing it. I don’t get it. You and you put yourself in isolation and then mind you I’m guilty of this because you know, I work from home as of late, I’ve been trying to get out more, but when you put yourself in isolation, the kind of risks you put your health at.

[00:29:02] It doesn’t matter the amount of supplements or right eating or things of that nature. If you don’t get the energy that goes behind that, what are the dangers? Talk about that a bit.

[00:29:12] Pete: [00:29:12] Well, as I said earlier, it’s the opposite of what, you know, it increases, uh, anxiety and depression that can increase your chances of dying earlier by up to 50%, you know, it reduces-

[00:29:25] Mike: [00:29:25] Good Lord, dude.

[00:29:26] Pete: [00:29:26] Yeah. Immune system is weakened because you’re not out there and connect. You don’t have that support network. Obviously your self-confidence starts to decline. I think that’s actually going to be a. A challenge for a lot of people coming up. The other side of this is, you know, we’re not in our normal routines.

[00:29:40] I read a piece out of, I think it was out of the New York Times talking about our routines. We love routine. And if 80% of our days is going to the same Starbucks in the morning, is going to the same office, is having lunch and having, you know, all those routines, the coffee machine, the water cooler. And then all of a sudden somebody turns it off overnight and you kind of go, Whoa, where am I?

[00:30:03] Mike: [00:30:03] Yeah.

[00:30:04] Pete: [00:30:04] And when 80% of your day is, is routine, but 20% doesn’t go, well, you can handle that. But right now with 90% of our days..

[00:30:12] Mike: [00:30:12] Exactly.

[00:30:14] Pete: [00:30:14] Uh, uncontrolled and not part of the routine.

[00:30:17] Mike: [00:30:17] Completely upended.

[00:30:18] Pete: [00:30:18] That’s the anxiety. And we did that. We have an interview show for Gen Well called connected conversations. We’ve interviewed a lot of psychologists, positive psychologists, workplace, mental health, lots of, and you know, the real message right now is, Hey, certainly build on your connections, but focus on what we can control, which is us.

[00:30:36] You know, what are we doing? Physical health, mental health, how you staying connected? How are you reaching out? Because those are the things that we can control at a time when we can’t control a whole heck of a lot.

[00:30:46] Mike: [00:30:46] It’s very interesting. Um, within, within, obviously we’re both marketers, so you’ll get this. In the world of marketing, automation is a big thing. And, and some marketers are out there going, yeah, you can just automate everything and then you just take the sales call and, and the rest of us old schoolers, like, Whoa, slow your roll, bro. Yeah. Automation is good to a point, but if you’re just going to let all the marketing go through and then just take the sales call, you’re going to be starting all over again because you still don’t have that connection yet. You might be speaking to their needs, but you’re not speaking to them cause you don’t know who they are.

[00:31:20] Pete: [00:31:20] And the next call that comes in that offers it at 10% less. They’re gone.

[00:31:25] Mike: [00:31:25] Exactly. Oh, you just, so there’s a bunch of book titles that are right here in my head right now. Simply because if there is no connection. And I remember, I can’t remember which one, but this was out of it.

[00:31:38] But I remember that when you’re talking about the cash value or the lifetime cash value of a customer and being able to be a linchpin for them, uh, and that’s not, and it’s not Seth Golden’s linchpin. This is, this is a slightly different concept, but. Being being the, that company or that business owners linchpin for marketing.

[00:31:59] If you don’t have that human connection, you can’t go back to them and say, Hey, listen, I get it. ABC is offering 10% less. We’ve done this for you. We’ve gotten you this far. Um, is there something that we can work out where we don’t lose you for 10%. And interestingly enough, I know a few people that are in marketing that have taken calls like that, and they ended up getting 20% more on top of the few that they already get, because they said, listen, what if we did this for you?

[00:32:30] And we took care of this and we got you more results. Here’s what it’s gotten so far. If you don’t have that connection, the ease of the other side going well, no, I’m just going to go try them out first will be almost immediate. Every time, but if you have a relationship with them, there’ll be just like, well, okay, let’s give it a shot.

[00:32:53] Let’s see what happens. And then you have, and then you get them results. Obviously you have a new, even more loyal ranting raving fan because you’ve done them so well. And the 10% discount is worthless.

[00:33:05] Pete: [00:33:05] You know, it’s really interesting. And I, again, when I launched this movement back in 2016, Mike, it was really about creating a, uh, a general population.

[00:33:15] It was raising the consciousness of people across the world about the importance of human connection. And I think about that from the perspective of our own personal health and happiness. If I can help you be happier and healthier by educating you about the importance of human connection in your life. Then maybe you’ll take a couple, cause I talk about education and empowerment, empowering you to then say, Hey Mike, maybe you could pick up the phone call, whether it’s for your health or the health of somebody else and have a call. But I do a lot of speaking now in businesses and people are really in awe of wow.

[00:33:48] Like. Human connection. I, this is what I say, it transcends everything. It transcends every illness, every cause, every crisis, every business at the end of the day business is about relationships. And you know, what you just described there for me is the the transactional way that some people are thinking that the future will will thrive.

[00:34:09] But the reality is whether it’s that, uh, you know, that additional 20%, or maybe it’s actually at a time like this when small businesses are in crisis and you pick up the phone and say, I know I sell you X. Yeah. Actually I’m calling you today. Cause I actually care about you as a human being. And I just want to say, Hey, our business, we’re trying to reconfigure what we’re doing.

[00:34:30] We’re doing hand sanitizer, mass, whatever we can offer you up some mass to get you through. Can I help you with some PPE? Can I help you in any way? Can I sit down and have a conversation with you to see if there’s any solutions? Because when we talk to each other, that’s when solutions happen.

[00:34:44] Mike: [00:34:44] Absolutely.

[00:34:45] Pete: [00:34:45] When we’re inside our own heads, we don’t tend to tell ourselves good things and we don’t tend to be the most creative and innovative. Well, when we have those conversations, a real partnership, a real understanding as a mutually beneficial, beneficial relationship. That’s the power, that’s when people say I’ll pay 10% more because Mike is an amazing human bein.

[00:35:05] Mike: [00:35:05] You know, what’s really interesting is that usually leads into the very thing that Napoleon Hill talks about, which is the mastermind. Cause, cause he usually it’s it’s you becoming the outside person going in for that person becoming part of their mastermind to give them what they’re in need of, because you have a different perspective. My perspective as a marketer is I used to be a musician. So I think of things differently than a regular marketer that was taught in school. And I, I, I learned through other, other marketers as well. So when I sit down with somebody, when I’m with anybody, that’s, you know, trying to figure something out.

[00:35:44] And they’re like, well, I know your time is precious. I’m like, what’s the issue? What are you dealing with? And they tell me, I’m like, okay, so here’s a perspective. One perspective, go find two more people after this. Okay. And then I lay it out for them and they’re like, okay. Um, I thank you for your time. I’m like, cool.

[00:36:03] Now go find those other two perspectives. Don’t ask another marketer. You already got mine. Go ask somebody else in operations, go ask somebody else. Who’s out as an independent, not a consultant either. Cause they, they, they do that for a living. Go find other people that can fit your mastermind and go make a connection.

[00:36:18] And people are just kind of blown away by that. They’re like, well, I just picked your brain and I’m like, no, you asked for our mastermind. And that’s what I did for you. There’s a difference between picking my brain and asking for actual help. Picking my brain I won’t let anybody do. Asking for actual help in creating a mastermind kind of situation I’m happy to do.

[00:36:36] Pete: [00:36:36] And the power of that mastermind for me is the fact that most of us are really, we struggle with reaching out and asking for help. It requires

[00:36:45] Mike: [00:36:45] What is it with humans that we have that problem? Why is it that way?

[00:36:49] Pete: [00:36:49] And it’s tough for us to be vulnerable. And when you have that mastermind in place, when you have that group of people that are there for you, um, then you know, you have the people that you’re going to get together with on a regular basis.

[00:37:02] And what the Genwell project is really trying to do is help us build that community every day. You know, so you don’t just have to wait once every six weeks when you get together with your, your mastermind group. Although I know there’s lots of communication that can happen amongst the group, but Hey, wouldn’t it be awesome if we came out of our houses every day and we said, hello to Charlie who lived next door.

[00:37:23] And that we, you know, knew some people up the street, uh, you know, to me as we’re going through this pandemic, look at the challenges of our youth. You know, they are struggling with, you know, the fact that they’re not in schools. In many cases, they’re struggling because there’s so many distractions that we didn’t grow up with, you know, the computer, the phone, and now it’s really up to the parents to actually.

[00:37:45] Facilitate that because you know, I’ve got a six year old, he’s not going to be reaching out to other kids in the street and saying, Hey, you guys want to get a game going. And obviously now we’re doing it physically distance, but the reality is now the parents need to step up and say, Hey, why don’t we get the kids together and play a game or hang out in the park or play on the playground.

[00:38:05] We all need to be more conscious and think about not only for our seniors who have been terribly, you know, uh, I’ll say beaten up during this, this pandemic, but our young people, you know, we’re all feeling more disconnected. And if we can just be more conscious and take some small steps, I, as we say with the campaign we say, we can make the world a happier and healthier place one connection at a time.

[00:38:28]Mike: [00:38:28] I had a friend once whose, whose son, um, is probably now in his thirties, I think. Um, but his son used to go around in school and would walk up to kids and go, you want to be my friend? They said, sure. It’s okay. We’re friends. And then he’d sit down and they would hang out. And it was, it was just like people when they heard that story were like, it can’t be that easy. Actually, yes, it can. It’s the same as walking down the street, like I go walking a lot. If I see somebody else on the road and I happened to pass this homeless guy that lives close to me quite often. I see him. I smile at him. He smiles back. I tell him how you doing, brother. He’s, “I’m okay.” Well, you sure? He’s like, yeah.

[00:39:15] I said, all right, cool. And I walk, I see anybody else. I smile at em. My one, my one simple desire is that a warm smile will get somebody else to smile too. My, my disappointment is that I get more response out of that homeless guy than I get out of regular people walking on the street. I try to smile at somebody.

[00:39:39] They, like you said, they walk out, they look down, they don’t even look up and it’s like, we’ve lost so much of that human connection that people honestly believe that everybody else has got something bad for them, rather than, rather than the hope of something good.

[00:39:57] Pete: [00:39:57] Dude, my friend, I am so excited to get into this conversation because you so get it, but let, but let me give you the hope. Let me give you the optimism. There’s a guy named Nick Epley. So first off. You’re right. Our brains tell us all the bad stuff, you know, you’re probably trying to get more. You want more out of life and you don’t want me to get it. The reality is what the research shows is that we actually love connecting with each other as strangers on the subway, on the bus.

[00:40:25] Even though when you go into the research with people, the initial response is, well, no, nobody wants me to talk to them on the bus. Nobody wants me to talk to them on the spot. It’s not true. I, I can, I, I I’ve proven that one. That’s not true. Well, people love to talk on the bus. It’s interesting. And, and that’s the thing is that once we get into it and Nick Epley, who’s at the university of Chicago, he was part of the science of wellbeing course at Yale that, uh, is run by Dr. Laurie Santos. As I mentioned earlier, he’s done the research that says, when I ask people, do you think talking to the strangers will make you happier? Most people think it won’t. And they actually asked the people that you go talk to, Hey, do you really want to be spoken to? And the initial inclination is, well, no, I probably wouldn’t be happy here.

[00:41:11] Guess what? Everybody’s happier when we smile, when we talk to each other. So at the end of the day, this is part of our movement, which is saying to people, if I can educate you on those facts, Maybe you’ll be more likely to smile like you do when you walk down the street, maybe you’ll be more likely to strike up a conversation that you’re standing beside somebody.

[00:41:31] And it ain’t easy right now if we’re six feet apart, it’s tough. But as you described, when you were talking about Seinfeld and the guys in, on that table, there, we all have an emotional connection to each other as human beings. And it doesn’t take a lot to actually look at that person. Just kind of give them a, Hey, how you doing?

[00:41:50] Yeah. And then all of a sudden you’re like, Hey, uh, Hey, by the way, I love your beard. And you’re, you’re rocking the, uh, the, uh, the black and white, the gray and silver, whatever. And all of a sudden we’ve started a conversation. We’ve got a connection, Hey, we both have facial hair or, Hey, we both like black, you know, we both, you know, whatever that thing is, you know, it’s, it, it’s that simple connection that leads to real, uh, emotional wellbeing, because we feel like we’re not alone in this world.

[00:42:17] Mike: [00:42:17] The, the best, the best thing that I’ve. And I apparently, I guess I’m going to have to start getting out the podcast and start spreading this message too. The best thing that anybody could possibly do for another human and it, and it might just break them. So be careful when you do this is if you see them and they try to smile and you see that there’s something behind it, just empathize with them.

[00:42:43] And that could be a smile back. It could be a simple, good morning, good afternoon. Sometimes it may be in the midst of a conversation and go, you know what? I get it. I may not know what you’re going through, but I get it. I’ve seen people lose it over that, but it’s because someone acknowledges that they’re not alone in whatever it is that they’re dealing with.

[00:43:08] I have some amazing friends, like last night, um, I posted, okay, it’s hitting. Um, cause I just, I just lost my mom. So it, I that’s, all I posted was okay. It’s hitting. The amount of friends that I have that I know, um, understand how I am that responded to that post. Was in was way more than I thought it was going to be.

[00:43:33] And just completely showed me that they, they understand they get it. Some of them have actually been through what I’m going through. So of course, they’re, they’re like, bro, I got you hanging in there, you know, than others are coming out of the, like out of left field that I’ve never interacted with me.

[00:43:48] And they’re just like, I feel it. I feel it. I get what you’re getting. So while that’s, and again, that’s social media, it’s just support. But some of these people I actually see and they are, they are connected. We are connected. And to know that there is potentially a stranger that could walk by, just give you that one smile.

[00:44:11] They may not know what you’re going through, but give you that one smile and you smile back. If you’ve never felt a solid connection just off of a smile, try it sometime.

[00:44:23] Pete: [00:44:23] Yeah. Uh, Mike, I’m sorry to hear about your mum. I have, uh, lost my mom in the past and I know how it feels. But what you just described is such an important message is, you know, we’re going through this pandemic and what’s really unique about this pandemic is that we are all going through it at the same time.

[00:44:44] And there’s, you know, other than Wars, which in your generation, in my generation, we’ve never even come close to anything where we all went through it together. The one thing we need to make sure that people understand is that people go through their own crisis every day. Oh yeah. Now we’re going through this and yes, it’s dragging on and, and everybody’s affected in their own unique ways.

[00:45:06] Whether it’s relationship illness, a divorce, a lost job, lost finances, you know, homeschooling nightmares, you know, we can pick up what we all need to recognize on the other side of this is, and we’ve had some really terrible incidents happen here in Toronto. You may have heard of them. There’s a guy drove down.

[00:45:26] Killed some people. And what happens in these crisis when we go through them together is we all come together on a street corner, in a place we put down flowers and candles, but the reality is people are going through their own crisis each and every day behind the four walls of their own home. And we don’t have the people coming because many times in your case, you’re lucky.

[00:45:47] Because you have a community of people, but there are lots of people out there who are either fearful to reach out to even the community that they do have, because when you lose your job, you feel like you’re not, you’re not good enough anymore. You know, maybe that’s a generalization, but you feel like you’re, you’re out of the race. You’re on the sidelines. You’re not, you know.

[00:46:05] Mike: [00:46:05] You’re not, you’re not wrong, though. You’re not wrong though. I mean, think about it Pete, the the generation right now. Gen Z. There’s a bunch of them that won’t associate because their own generation would be the first to attack them. And I’ve watched this, I’ve watched it on Tik TOK.

[00:46:21] I’ve watched it on Twitter. I’ve watched it on Facebook and it really bothers me that. Apparent apparently. Oh, there’s the word parent. Apparently the parents haven’t instilled that into their kids. Listen, if you’re dealing with some shit, it’s not good for you to throw your shit on somebody else and attack them because they’re going through some stuff. You never know, they may become your best friend, just because you tell them, Hey, at some pretty bad shit, you’re going through there. Are you okay? And, and it, it, that question alone, you’re not a therapist. Don’t get me wrong. That’s the therapist. And it’s okay. But the idea of that, that ability to say, Hey, I get it. You’re going through some, some you’re going through some shit.

[00:47:07] I see it. I get it. Are you okay? And be ready for the, no, I’m not. Okay. What do you think? I’m like, I don’t, that’s why I’m asking. Yeah, that’s the human connection part. I mean, you might not be in the same room if you are, jeez, that’s, that’s even better, but I mean, there’s still that part of the human connection too.

[00:47:26] We have to, if we’re going to use technology. We have to use it in a means that will advance humanity. It’s, it’s degrading it. I don’t think it’s really helping that much. At least not as of late.

[00:47:40] Pete: [00:47:40] Well, you touched on something there. There’s a great line in the psychology world that says you don’t need to be a therapist to be therapeutic.

[00:47:47] Mike: [00:47:47] That’s cool. Never heard that one before, but that’s cool.

[00:47:49] Pete: [00:47:49] You got two ears, my friend. And you use them well, and we all have the opportunity just to say somebody and I love what you said, how you doing, pal? Like what’s going on. And just tell me, like, I may not have the solutions, but I’m here to listen and I’m here to show you that I actually give a crap about you.

[00:48:07] And what’s going on. And the other unfortunate part is most of us wait until we’re in the crisis. You know, those of us who didn’t have the community, we are a crisis-oriented society. You know, when we get sick, we’re like, give me that pill, whatever that pill is, just give me that pill and selling prevention is not easy saying to people, Hey, you know what?

[00:48:24] If you build those healthy connection habits starting today, then the next crisis, whatever that is, you lose your job financially.

[00:48:32] Mike: [00:48:32] I don’t have time for that. I got it, I got too much to do, I got too much to do.

[00:48:34] Pete: [00:48:34] Exactly.

[00:48:35] Mike: [00:48:35] And that’s, I call bullshit. If you got that.

[00:48:41] Pete: [00:48:41] We’d all call bullshit on ourselves, but the problem is it’s like, we’re so called out by the world.

[00:48:45] Mike: [00:48:45] We should, we should be, we should be calling bullshit on ourselves often. I mean, that’s what mirrors are for, I think over half the time, most people that, that are the ones that go, I don’t have time. You have made it that you don’t have time. The only way you’re going to fix that is if you make time. Um, I used to hear this a lot in my church too.

[00:49:05] You don’t, you don’t have time for God. You make time for God. You don’t have time for meditation. You make time for meditation. You don’t have time to get together with people. You make time to get together with people and have conversations. You make time. You as a human must make things happen. If you wait for them to happen, you’re not going to be in control of it. It will control you and then you won’t have time for anything.

[00:49:33] Pete: [00:49:33] Well and you know, we’ve been distracted over the last three, four decades, we thought, and again, it started with the idiot box. Yeah. And then social media has only calm. It just exacerbated.

[00:49:45] It just made it worse. 24 hour news channels, all of that. And the reality is. We’ve been distracted from what truly makes us happier and healthier. And I think, you know, the silver lining and it’s easy for our, you know, anybody who’s got food, water, shelter, safety, and security through the pandemic is the luck, are the lucky ones.

[00:50:03] Mike: [00:50:03] Yep. Absolutely.

[00:50:05] Pete: [00:50:05] Let’s make sure we take a second and recognize and do what we can to help people who don’t have those fundamental needs, but anybody who’s got all those fundamental needs has been given a gift right now, a gift of a slower pace, an opportunity to reset. An opportunity to reconsider what they were focused on and what their priorities were.

[00:50:25] And now on the other side of this, or even you’re working on it now to your point, maybe it’s some mindfulness.  Maybe it’s some morning meditation. Maybe it’s somegratitude pages. Maybe it’s some journaling, maybe it’s going exactly. It’s not, there’s not one solution human connection. Isn’t the solution to the world’s problems.

[00:50:43] It’s one part. Yep of the solution. You know, Maslow told us back in 1943, as part of the hierarchy of needs, it’s all about balance. You know, you focus on any one of those levels. You’re going to end up in a bad place. Yeah. It’s actually finding the balance and certainly topped off with giving back and finding purpose in your life, you know, and right now, and we say this a lot with the campaign is really maybe the greatest gift that you can do, right, give right now is picking up the phone and having a conversation with someone. It doesn’t cost you anything. You know, it doesn’t take a lot of effort. It’s just thinking about who in your life would benefit from a conversation. And that’s a pretty powerful thought.

[00:51:24] Mike: [00:51:24] I would agree. Guys, we’re gonna take one more 30-second break.

[00:51:27] We’re going to come back and talk to Pete about what, uh, what he’s up to right now, besides the general. We’re going to talk more about the general project, but, uh, what is up to right now and what he’s planning on coming in the near future. So back in 30 seconds.


[00:51:37] All right, guys, we’re back at the last section of Java chat, sitting here with people, um, Pete Bombaci joking around about me playing Batman.

[00:51:44] Uh it’s it’s it’s, an interesting subject that we’ve been discussing, which is the human connection factor. And if you notice I use the word factor because it is a factor to a complete picture. It’s not everything, but it’s definitely something. And it’s something that’s definitely needed actually right now.

[00:52:06] So, um, Pete, the general project, um, what’s the, what’s the premise and process. If somebody wants to become, you know, part of the movement, how does, how does one do so?

[00:52:19] Pete: [00:52:19] Well, they can certainly head over to and they can certainly right now they can answer a question. We’ve actually taken our website down for the next two months.

[00:52:28] And we’re in the process of revamping our website. Our original website and concept was built on catalyzing people around two weekends. What we’ve become over the last two years is basically a 12 month awareness campaign.

[00:52:39] Mike: [00:52:39] Sweet.

[00:52:40] Pete: [00:52:40] Because we need this message reinforced on a daily basis, but right now, probably one of the greatest things they can do is if they’re on social media, There’s still lots of value on social media.

[00:52:50] Follow us on any of our platforms, LinkedIn, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, we post things all the time, um, that will allow them to, you know, tips, tools, ideas, and research on why you should be staying connected.

[00:53:04] Mike: [00:53:04] Nice.

[00:53:05] Pete: [00:53:05] And we just want to be that, uh, that platform that says, Hey, here’s a little information that might help you. And then here’s a, maybe a few ideas on how you can make it happen just before the holidays. We posted a series of infographics that are really not only about what you can do, some ideas that you might be able to take advantage of. Right. But also recognizing I don’t care if it’s a small business owner, a homeless person, maybe it’s a new mother, you know?

[00:53:31] Yeah. Think about the people in your life who would benefit today from reaching out? Because all of us benefit from having greater human connections in our lives. And right now, as I said earlier, maybe the greatest gift we can give each other is just picking up and having a phone call.

[00:53:47] Mike: [00:53:47] I think that’s probably the best gift that we can give to people. Especially you mentioned a new mom. I don’t think most people understand what new moms go through once they’ve given birth. There’s that whole postpartum thing. Um, I watched my ex-wife go through that and oI was like blown away as to what women must deal with postpartum. It’s rough, it’s some rough stuff they deal with.

[00:54:08] I didn’t realize how hard it was until I watched her go through it. Um, or, you know, we lost one too watch her go through that postpartum was even worse. And I was just like, I didn’t know what to do. Um, at the time I didn’t understand, just be present and be there and be supportive. That’s all she really needed.

[00:54:25] Uh, totally agree with that. So, um, you said two months, the website will be back up, follow you on social guys. You guys know about that all the links will be done in the comments as we do that for everybody. Um, are you, you you’re still speaking, correct?

[00:54:37] Pete: [00:54:37] We do a lot of speaking, corporate speaking community speaking, you know, this is how we’re paying the bills right now. Uh, we are in the process of trying to seek out sponsors, certainly foundations to who understand the importance of this message not only as a. Uh, an opportunity to make a difference in the world, but to connect brands to, Hey, when we get together, what do we do? Well, we eat, we drink, we celebrate with people and we’ll get back to that soon enough, but finding those businesses, finding those organizations who believe in making the world a happier and healthier place by getting people connected, those are the people we’d love to connect with and, and, and make this thing, uh, as big as any other movement that we’ve ever seen, because right now we need it more than ever.

[00:55:22] Mike: [00:55:22] I have some HR, um, consultants. I need to connect you with on LinkedIn. So they might have some referrals for you because they, they would completely get what you’re talking about. Um, David Char who’s a good friend of mines, um, was, is the one that encouraged me to start up business etiquette again. Uh, and I, I have a feeling he’lll link right into your mission. No problem.

[00:55:43] Pete: [00:55:43] Thank you, Mike.

[00:55:44] Mike: [00:55:44] Um, and there’s a couple more beyond that, but we’ll, we’ll get that done. Um, when it comes to the kinds of businesses that you’ve found success with so far, is it, is it a specific industry that has responded or has it any, anybody in particular or has it just, uh, a spectrum.

[00:56:00] Pete: [00:56:00] Well, certainly on the, you know, there’s different ways we approach it.

[00:56:04] When we go speak to businesses, we’re talking about the employees. So when we speak it’s about health and wellness, it’s about diversity and inclusion. You know, inclusion is about making a conscious effort to make sure that people feel connected. And that requires an ongoing effort. That’s not just hiring diverse people, right?

[00:56:21] The effort comes after the hiring. So you..

[00:56:25] Mike: [00:56:25] Don’t start another subject, dude, we’ll be here for another hour.

[00:56:28] Pete: [00:56:28] Sorry, brother. So when we, when we speak to businesses, it’s any business. Yeah. But when we talk about marketing, you know what, and I’m a marketer, as we talked about earlier in the show at the end of the day, I think of it from a perspective of, okay, I know you need to sell more product.

[00:56:43] Okay. How can I help you sell more product while we make the world a better place? Okay. When we come together, what do we do? Well, we probably might, might have a barbecue or we’re going to have some snacks, or we might have some pop, or we might have some milk or cookies or whatever. When we think of kids, we think of seniors.

[00:56:58] So any brand that would be at the heart of bringing people together to me is an absolute, no brainer, connecting our brands to purpose something. We hear all the time. And we know that the long-term results demonstrate that that actually drives positive results for a business, but it’s really finding those business or that individual within a business who recognize it and goes, this is actually the next big thing.

[00:57:24] We will need this on the other side of the pandemic, we will need to help people get over that insecurity. We will need to get people over that fear of connecting to stop walking into the middle of the street and going around. Exactly. We’ll need to have catalysts and education to say, Hey, it’s okay.

[00:57:43] Because the pandemic’s over. We’ve been vaccinated. Here are the stats, but number two, let’s create the catalyst that allows us to all come together face to face because. You talked about being a hugger brother. I am a massive, um, look out when I, when this thing’s over, I’m going to be hugging people that are come within a mile of me.

[00:58:02] And the reality is we need hugs. We are missing human connection, and that’s beyond w we’re talking about the, the, the conversation, the connection, emotional connection. I’m talking now physical connection, which we are, we are lacking. And so, you know, we’re looking for businesses. We’re looking for individuals, anybody who actually sees, Hey, This movement is so critical right now to making the world a better place and setting ourselves up for success beyond this.

[00:58:28] Because if we think that the health crisis of COVID ends, when we get everybody vaccinated, we are, you have so much to go through beyond that.

[00:58:37] Mike: [00:58:37] That was just a simple roadblock to the actual problem. That was that only exacerbated the issue. And I actually, I’m kind of glad that it did because it made it more plainwhat the real issue is, it’s about connectinbecause people have just forgotten how to do it.

[00:58:49] Pete: [00:58:49] Yeah. They really have. It’s funny you say that because it was almost laying, I’ve often joked that, you know, I think mother nature, God, and whoever else you want to put into the pack, kind of got together and said, Hey, we’ve thrown some bad weather at you. We’ve thrown some, you know, a financial crisis. We’ve tried this. We’ve tried that.

[00:59:08] Mike: [00:59:08] You still haven’t gotten it. Let’s see what happens now. All right. Try this one, try this one on for size. See how that works.

[00:59:14] Pete: [00:59:14] And I think powerful part, which is, you know, it’s all of this is unfortunate, but at the end of the day, because we are all experiencing it together. That’s the wake up call because when, when the financial crash happened, it only affected those people that were, you know, that were invested in the market. You know, when the blackout, which was the original inspiration up in North America, you know, on the Northeastern seaboard, 50 million people without power for anywhere from two to seven days, those people went through it.

[00:59:42] But when I talk to people in California or in Vancouver, they go, man, what you talking about? And I say, well, but actually, do you remember the mudslides that you had? Yeah. Same thing. You had the snow storm that we had six feet of snow overnight. Same thing. That’s when we come together, we are amazing human species in times of crisis.

[01:00:01] And what we need to do is start building those connections outside the crisis so we can handle anything together.

[01:00:06] Mike: [01:00:06] Yeah, I think, I think for aw man again, just that that’s another hour of conversation, bro.

[01:00:13] Pete: [01:00:13] Let’s do this again.

[01:00:14] Mike: [01:00:14] Well, we need to do more talking. There’s there’s so much on the social side and the political side that, that needs to be called out because it was, it was used improperly.

[01:00:24] To, to manage the crisis. If a, if a proper human connection would have been there, people wouldn’t be pointing fingers. People wouldn’t be calling other people out for being inconsiderate. People wouldn’t be calling other people out for being sheep. People would be simply saying, all right, where’s the reality in all of this, let’s see the data, the real data.

[01:00:40] Let’s sit down and talk about what we can all do for each other so that nobody else tells us. And then we can do it ourselves because really humankind you’re right. We’re super resilient. We have survived some of the craziest shit over the last thousand years or so. And technology has definitely made it better as much as it’s made it worse.

[01:00:59] And there’s just, the human connection has allowed humankind to lessen its resilience. And that’s, to me, that’s the scariest part when humankind loses its resilience to two issues, not, and I’m not talking just about like the pandemic, I’m talking just period issues and we lose resilience to issues, there’s one word that crawls in and starts causing all kinds of havoc and it’s called indifference. When there’s a, when there’s indifference, there’s a lack of compassion. Look in the world today. How much compassion is there really be honest, it’s lacking bad. And it’s because of that. And it’s, it’s only going to get worse if we don’t start getting better.

[01:01:38] So, yeah, come back. We’ll talk about that one too, brother. Um, but for this, for this particular one, um, I want to thank you for coming and spending time with me sharing your message, sharing the genwell project. Um, and just for you guys, for those of you that are going to come to our website, you’ll probably see their banner posted up.

[01:01:56] Um, it’ll take you to one of the social platforms, uh, and when their website comes back, we’ll get you back up on there too. But. Guys, this is, this is super important. I mean, human connection is to me, one of the most important things necessary in life, period, bar none, you can’t, you can’t go through life, life, running away from other humans.

[01:02:19] You serve, you serve yourself in a very bad way, and it’s not about not serving them. It serves both of you. It serves all of you. It has to be done. Pete. Thanks for coming, man. I really appreciate you sharing some time with us.

[01:02:35] Pete: [01:02:35] Mike, I honestly loved the conversation. I love what you’re all about and thanks for helping us spread the message.

[01:02:41] Mike: [01:02:41] Absolutely. Guys, for those of you that know how we do this, all the links for, for there. Well, when they’re not their website right now, we’ll put it down there, but keep an eye on it on all their social. That’ll all be down in the comments. If you got questions for Pete, make sure you ask him that in the comments, he’ll have the links both year and on and on, on anchor.

[01:02:59] Uh, or, you know, find him on social and talk to them over on his social pages or in his groups. He, I’m sure he’d be happy to, to interact. And I’m sure more people that are in that community would be happy to interact with you as well. Uh, if you’re watching on YouTube and you haven’t subscribed yet, make sure you hit that button and the little bell next to it, because that tells you when we get more amazing guests like this coming on and sharing their expertise and their passion.

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[01:04:08] Pete: [01:04:08] Cheers, brother.

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